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I came here seeing that WP had this group after he joined my OEN group on Care2.

The problem with OEN is the paranoia associated with Rob Kall's control, which is the cause of RK's paranoia.

I think that OEN is a really powerful site, and my idea now is to try to recreate it but with a much better agenda. Rob's agenda seems to be much like Sen. Lieberman's, to confuse the world in such a way that Palestine can be eliminated: the globalist extension of Zionist banking. I believe that Kall is a pretend-liberal, that he is in fact on the hard right, and the reason I believe this is that he censored some of my writing about the Middle East, and rejected an article I wrote that attempts to show how the marginalized hunters in the US are actually the bottom line defense for reactionary politicians, and how these two forces working together have cemented the present economic collapse on behalf of the operators of the global economy who all seem to be linked to Israel.

The downside of global-level trickery and bullying that I am trying to describe, is that it gets complicated, leading to world of "truthing" and conspiracy theories.

I have been collecting the writing growing from this first article that was rejected by Kall on a Google page to keep all the writing in one place. It is mostly pieced together from smaller postings so it seems disconnected, but the basic idea is to focus on how hunters have infiltrated environmental groups such as the Sierra Club, the Nature Conservancy, and the World Wildlife Fund. The problem that is panicking me is that these groups will in turn influence Obama, creating an environmental policy that is reactionary, bringing us full circle back to what Reagan and the Bushes created. In capital terms, the environment will continued to be viewed as a resource, rather than the living thing we all depend on for life.

End of the Age of the Predator

Beyond nature was what we depend on for life is the nature that created us. We obviously evolved from animals that live in nature, and we are connected to nature emotionally. As it happens, the animals in nature are emotional themselves, and their natural affection evolved into our morality (Darwin's second paper on evolution).

If we were descendant of robots, then this would not be the case; if we were there would be no life. It is either one or the other: there is no gray area.

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Nobody gets paid / they all work for free, he says. I believe him but I don't believe there is zero money flowing. Not for one minute. Much of their work serves to sustain the fake democracy.

There are just too many thought police on that site for my taste.
P.S. the flagging is easy to explain. If it were my site, I would re-name it / re-word it from "Flag this comment" (to an editor) to "Narc on this person" (calling out the thought police).
Rob admitted to ADD. I have a friend whose resemblance to Rob is scary, who also admits to ADD. I would describe both of them as having powerful but self-defeating drive fueled by lies, where it is all good.

My friend was my boss for a while, and I was paid well by him, but his business faded (CDS, or credit default swaps). Now he wants me to contribute to his Internet venture by working for free, but he makes it too difficult for me to do it for free, because of his ADD.

I suppose it is safe to call him a Zionist because a) he is a liar, and b) the word Zionism is semi-banned from OEN.

Among problems, he tells the truth selectively, what I call being "ingenuine," (which, FYI, is not a word) especially about money. But because he as paid me (after I threatened to take the precious metals from the back of his mouth) he thinks it is all fair.

As much as I want to work on his project, which would allow me to work in parallel with a project aimed as a replacement for OEN, his semi-truths frustrate me to the point of catharsis.

Rob is a well-documented liar, and, I believe, a Zionist mole linked to a network that includes the former governor of NY, Spitzer, Alan Chartoff of Albany's NPR, WAMC, and a crazy guy I met in a chain saw shop trying to recruit the ex-Semper Fi owner. Probably a lot Lieberman trying to recruit McCain. And this after Kissinger put McCain in the Hanoi Hilton by banning US bombing of the SAM sites because they allegedly had Chinese technicians running them. Kissinger's act (as well as McCain's naivete) puts American market capitulation to China to the late 60s early 70s. I wonder when they thought up American technological capitulation to India as a maneuver against Pakistan, formerly part of India? (Welcome, newly-wealthy Hindus!)
...and speaking of fucking twits and assholes... It's Just a Plant... "Mark Souder, a Republican representative of the United States Congress from Indiana, heavily criticized the book, saying that it supported marijuana for kids." Yep. That's the congresstwit from our little corner of dominionist krakkerland... a strange case of a twit who may possibly be too stoopid to be an asshole.

Back in the day, he was a YAFer ...cheerleader for the VN war... got his church buds to get him a CO draft deferment... chickenhawk from day-one... and to this day I don't think he considered his "position" disingenuous AT ALL. He fairly "represents" the "constituency," of brutally-stupid bible-smackers... and when he aint thumpin the book, he's threaping about dope. The corn-pones love it. Gee-gaw about gawd and put somebody else's ass in jail. He leads the crusade to replace Roosevelt's head on the dime with Ronzo. 'twould be grand to see HIS head on a pike... or muskie... or a big double-bass.

Wuzzit got to do wit OEN? It's just a plant.
Rady Ananda, a senior editor at OEN for many years and one of those who voted unanimously to ban me, has just herself been banned from OEN, apparently for writing something critical of Obama.

My friend Jim Eldon asked me if I knew of others who had been banned and I mentioned Curt and Georgianne Nienaber, but being absent-minded in my old age, I couldn't think of others off hand and told him I'd post here to ask if other folks know.

I also told him that Rady, having been a senior editor for so long, would know of everyone who was banned, .but probably, pissed as she is, retains too much misguided loyalty to fascism to make information public that Rob Kall prefers remain secret.
Steven the Lesser probably has much to do with the Rumkowski-style selection.

I would guess that his pub-dem paradigm is so deeply internalized, without it life would make no sense. He would be first to cry, "...give me your children!" Ein Judenrat ist nicht so viel besser dem Kapo.
There's an OEN mini-clone called COTO. OEN with some of the same editors, the same hierarchy, a similar policy, but without Rob Kall and Steve Leser.

I just asked them to remove me as a member.

My own stupid stupid stupid fault for hoping against hope that once what had happened to me, happened to them, they would wake up.

Instead they say they were justified in persecuting me, continued to persecute me, and if I stayed there would never stop persecuting me. Their loyalty is still to Kall and Leser, they want nothing more than to emulate Kall and Leser, and I guess they're hoping that if they can show Kall and Leser that they have continued to persecute me, they might be allowed back to OEN. So I asked to be removed from their fine company--never could stand being around two-faced two-legged rats.

Waldo gets it, and he has called them out several times, but they just ignore it.
There doesn't seem to be any way to remove yourself from COTO. I was unable to find an "unjoin" button on their website or on the WordPress dashboard. The only way to leave the group is to petition the administrators to allow you to leave. If your petition is sufficiently respectful and obsequious, they will allow you to leave by banning you, and all your articles, comments, and any other content is deleted from their website. Then they flat-out lie and tell people that you asked to have your comments deleted because they don't want anyone to know that the only way to leave the group is if they agree to ban you and delete everything you posted.

COTO is much more authoritarian than OEN ever was. Some of the same administrators but more rules, more inequitably enforced, more cronyism and favoritism, and more personal attacks and censorship.

It seems to me that the people who saw me and others banned unjustly from OEN would have woken up when they themselves were unjustly banned, but that didn't happen. So I'm beginning to question whether the COTO administrators were actually banned from OEN. My current conspiracy theory is that Rob Kall and Steve Leser didn't want to be bothered by the COTO crew, so they got some of their top henchmen, told them they were about to purge COTO, explained that they wanted to keep the purged members under control, so they would pretend to purge the political operatives also, allow them to start a new group for the purged COTO crew, ensure that they had the email addys of everyone who was purged and also allow them to post a link to the new group on OEN a few times, and that way Kall and Leser could remote-control the purged COTO people.

I thought something was strange when the COTO admins were bad-mouthing Kall, Leser, and OEN, but still defending Kall, Leser, and OEN against me, saying that OEN had been right to ban me, etc. Although they claim I was hostile and disrespectful, I was never as hostile and disrespectful as they are, partly because that's not my style and partly because I'm not in a position of authority as they are and couldn't get away with what they do anyway.

So if you joined COTO, you cannot ever leave without having all your content deleted from the site. Also, it appears that some confirmed COTO contributors can publish directly while others are on moderation and have to submit everything to their editors for review. If you can still publish directly, you're one of their favored ones. If not, they put you on moderation without notifying you and want you to think that everyone else has to submit their stuff for review also. Ask some of your friends and you'll find that some can still publish directly without submitting for review, and some can not. The COTO administrators say that they want to review everything before it is published in order to ensure that if isn't too long, is properly formatted, doesn't contain copyrighted material, etc. But if that was their policy, it would apply to everyone, not just to some. They also, like OEN, claim to have an anti-abuse/ad hom policy, but just as on OEN it is only enforced against people they don't like. COTO admins and their cronies were allowed to make personal attacks on me and, of course, now my responses have been deleted while their personal attacks remain.

So the COTO administrators are claiming that Rob was justified in banning me from OEN because I was disrespectful to their editors (I wrote, "Good luck with your book, kid," in a comment to an editor), when in truth, the COTO administrators were (and possibly secretly still are) OEN editors, so what they really mean is that I was what they considered disrespectful towards one of THEM. You just can't call somebody in a position of authority "kid" and get away with it, even if they allow people to call you juvenile, mentally ill, and worse.
Mark,

I can't buy this but at least I have a new CT to follow. It does sound feasible and my imagination is flexible enough to house it. As discussed elsewhere, time will tell and Orwell's "Animal Farm" is still a damn good read.

curt
Yeah, Curt. But as long as you don't confront the system, it can seem tolerable.

If for some reason you ever want to leave COTO, all your articles and comments will be deleted. And because you have to be banned in order to leave, the admins will probably pass your IP along to other admins so that they'll know you're somebody who should be banned.So if you don't want what happened to me, to happen to you, you have to be very careful not to offend anyone because you're in for life.

But you have a reputation there as a friend of mine so no matter what you do, you'll probably eventually be banned anyway. Several people on COTO know that I didn't ask to have my comments deleted, but nobody confronted Rady's bald-faced lie, probably because they don't want to be banned and have their own comments deleted. Absolute power sure does corrupt and not just the ones wielding it but also the ones submitting to it.

I agree, time will tell.

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