What about Op Ed News ???

[John Bessa]

I came here seeing that WP had this group after he joined my OEN group on Care2.

The problem with OEN is the paranoia associated with Rob Kall's control, which is the cause of RK's paranoia.

I think that OEN is a really powerful site, and my idea now is to try to recreate it but with a much better agenda. Rob's agenda seems to be much like Sen. Lieberman's, to confuse the world in such a way that Palestine can be eliminated: the globalist extension of Zionist banking. I believe that Kall is a pretend-liberal, that he is in fact on the hard right, and the reason I believe this is that he censored some of my writing about the Middle East, and rejected an article I wrote that attempts to show how the marginalized hunters in the US are actually the bottom line defense for reactionary politicians, and how these two forces working together have cemented the present economic collapse on behalf of the operators of the global economy who all seem to be linked to Israel.

The downside of global-level trickery and bullying that I am trying to describe, is that it gets complicated, leading to world of "truthing" and conspiracy theories.

I have been collecting the writing growing from this first article that was rejected by Kall on a Google page to keep all the writing in one place. It is mostly pieced together from smaller postings so it seems disconnected, but the basic idea is to focus on how hunters have infiltrated environmental groups such as the Sierra Club, the Nature Conservancy, and the World Wildlife Fund. The problem that is panicking me is that these groups will in turn influence Obama, creating an environmental policy that is reactionary, bringing us full circle back to what Reagan and the Bushes created. In capital terms, the environment will continued to be viewed as a resource, rather than the living thing we all depend on for life.

End of the Age of the Predator

Beyond nature was what we depend on for life is the nature that created us. We obviously evolved from animals that live in nature, and we are connected to nature emotionally. As it happens, the animals in nature are emotional themselves, and their natural affection evolved into our morality (Darwin's second paper on evolution).

If we were descendant of robots, then this would not be the case; if we were there would be no life. It is either one or the other: there is no gray area.

[pan]

Never spent much time on OEN. There were some good articles. Some good diaries. Responded in comments. Haven't been there much lately - it dropped off my daily visit list.

All sites have gate keepers of some sort. This site is fairly low-key - but then most of us here pretty much have the same overall view of things and Waldo hasn't pushed to make this be a big money maker with ads supported by lots of clicks indicating lots of eyeballs. It is a lot simpler when you aren't motivated by profit....

[John Bessa]

I might do that myself. The owner, Rob Kall, is proving that social liberals and trade liberalists are just about the same. I use NPR as an example: they follow all their touchy-feely goodness with the purely capitalistic market report.

For the US to right itself to its former glory, it needs to implement trade equality, or reciprocity, or reciprocy as I say. Equal trade will make the world strong, and collapse the evil empires by allowing their countries to breakup as the Soviet Union did.

What I am seeing on OEN is a resurgence of globalism as thje twisted form of generosity, which is what it is today--giving all our money to China and India--which are only disguised versions of liberalness such as the pro-Israel anti-Palestinian socialism we see if we tour the UN. (Palestine has begged for the UN for several decades.)

[curt]

"I might do that myself." - what, drop OEN from your daily visit list? Not a bad idea, if that's what you have in mind. I've been keeping an eye on it since being banned from OEN, but only to monitor a few friends as I saw a wave of bannings coming at the more progressive left just prior to the election. There was a massive shift to the left. Bush-bashers, left alone on the playing field without a ball decided to go after those of us who see the broader picture (less change and more of the same-ole same-ole with a few cosmetic changes), labelling us the "doom & gloom crowd". And as could be expected, another "friend" on OEN was recently banned. His postings suddenly ended, his last diary simply removed.

Today, I see OEN and the goings-on there as therapy. The big Gulag is also a big Psycho Ward.

NPR never fails to get my goat but I still use it to fall alseep most any week night. I guess it's the voices or the accent that soothens my nerves. Less the message.

[John Bessa]

Yeah, I think I will use it like revolutionaries do: the types of pot shots that go under the radar.

However it is a good way to publish, because it has a "blogosphere infrastructure"

I happen to be working in information technology again (12 yrs as an exec level techie ending in 2002) and I need to learn how to populate the blogosphere with tags, etc, to push our product, which is consulting services.

This will give me a lot of knowledge about the search page rankings and the use of tags to connect content.

The upshot is that I think we can create our own OEN, but w/o the neo-liberal Kall (funny how he alone defines neo-liberalism.

Since about 2003 I have realized that the age of the individual is over, and we are now in an era of tightly knit groups: collaboratives.

I have a lot of papers on the topic, and I will be soon pulling them together to create a single document.

Here is my best one. I wrote it poetically and technically--a thing of beauty-but nearly impossible for the uninitiated to understand: Thinman > New Model Design

[John Bessa]

you wrote:
saw a wave of bannings coming at the more progressive left just prior to the election. There was a massive shift to the left. Bush-bashers, left alone on the playing field without a ball decided to go after those of us who see the broader picture

Yeah, that is why I slice the other way, not between us and them, but between those who dominate and us who chafe.

For instance, the Isreal / Palastine problem will never be solved because as soon as negotiations start, terrortists from both sides strike to make sure the war proceeds to mutual self-destruction. F*n psychos !!! And I think Rob is a well disguised member of the top slice. If I find out he is in the Zionist Northeast circle: former NY Gov., Eliot "Eliot" Spitzer, Sen. Leiberman of CT (where I am), Alan Chartok of WAMC (pure neo-liberal), NYC mayor mega-capital Bloomberg, and of course the United Nations (of Zionist-style capital.)

Thank god for the anti-Zionist Jews -- Now those are G_d's people:

[pan]

Common typo for Israel....Isreal...Is real? Only in a hyperreal (hmmm....is hypertext the structure of the hyperreal? I may have to deconstruct that) sense of catapulted propaganda. Leni Riefenstahl created the perception of an overwhelming mass to overwhelm Europe - resistance is futile! Yet the Nazis didn't win. (Is)real has created the perception of the poor, oppressed Holocaust survivors who have the "right to defend themselves" against those nasty suiciders lobbing scary rockets into their midst of (re)conquered towns inappropriately appropriated without settlement from those whose ancestors settled there long before the Ashke(nazis) demanded a "right of return" to a land they had never turned by denying the right of return in turn to those who actually had turned the land.

[John Bessa]

I can't spell to save my life. When I become a teacher in the fall I will speak in LOL to hide my speeling dysfunxion.


I think the history of Zionism, especially with respect to Zionist banks, is necessary to explain our present economic dilemma: GoldmanSacs. A good book is the autobiography of a Ruth Gruber, a woman photographer who shot the ship Exodus, the camps in Cyprus, and the "early" struggle of the late 40s and early 50s. And also "did" Alaska.

The reason her book is so powerful is that Palestinians are simply not mentioned! Killed yes, but mentioned, NO!!

And that defines bias precisely. A good book to follow that, which is equally exactly off target: Prisoners of Hate by Aaron Beck (who invented cognitive psychology). When he refers to the KKK he is really talking about the only bias he understands: his own, or perhaps Israel's.

Basically I am saying "go to them for the info" so as to get the right information, and to create the correct solutions, rather than slamming back and forth between extremes as we have been since the Vietnam war.

Maybe Rob Kall is creating this radical attack target market for the Zionists. Our national leader's middle name is "Hussien" and that should tell you something. He is also limited to 24 hours in a day, so I can understand how he is picking his battles by rationing his available time (and energy). We are actually getting our promised "change" as fast as he can deliver and this is good: we have more time to regroup-- and to learn from RK.

My real area of interest is Capital itself. It is old, in control, and will kill us just like it killed Rome. I am beginning to thing that real, pragmatic analysis of the Fall of the Roman Empire, or the "Fall," is what we need to look at.

I found this choice paragraph in the Wikipedia; its existance surprised me, the Wikipedia is purely for Capital, genocidally opposed to Natives (which I want to write up soon), and opposes any kind of new information, or meta-information, or what they call "original research."

(The amazing thing about wikis is that they produce new knowledge from information that can contradict the facts that comprise the information--which I also want to illustrate soon. What I got from my Empathy Model wiki is that rules are bias -- in other words, the Anarchists were always right! But not to throw bombs.)

Here is the text about Rome from the page on Raubwirtschaft, which is a word for capital and colonial plunder, or as I say, globalism"

Arnold J. Toynbee has stated the economy of the Roman Empire was based on Raubwirtschaft. Rome basically plundered the conquered territories and milked the provinces dry; there was little cash flow from Rome to the provinces. The internal economy was based on slavery, and unpaid work had no purchasing power.

[BO]

Haven't had capitalism since fiat money systems replaced the gold standard. I'm not saying that gold is the only real currency, but that our global fiat system is a ponzi scheme designed by the rich, for the rich.

Capitalism is a myth. As is the idea that the US is a democracy. When reporting starts with the faulty premise that political or business decisions are grounded in capitalism or democracy, the reporting, IMHO, is immediately suspect.

Capitalism and democracy, like religion, are simply tools to keep the poles diverted. That they have an equal and fair chance at survival. It just ain't so. The game has been rigged for a long time. Unless reporters start with that as their premise, there's no truth to anything they say.

[curt]

Kall's idea of what OEN should be, or some day become is a "bottom up" alternative news service. He actually does, or did have a couple of real "on the ground" reporters or self-made journalists. The first two that come to mind, I'll just refer to them as Cheryl and wawa, report on things that don't quite fit the man's fancy. imho, Kall is too close to the Party, D.C. and the system as such to be able to see the woods for all the trees in his way and these two "real" reporters have been ignored, their work buried under tons of Dcrap. The one was banned even though a major contributing editor, for criticizing and not conforming. So we have a lack of real reporting and something closer to 98.8% simple reflections of the MSM and other dis or mis-info driven "alternative" sources such as AlterNet (just an example, nothing else). What would make the site a success is real reporting. I've tried it myself and it's easy but you do have to have a digicam or a mobile equipped with such, twitter these days and a good hand at reporting / writing. You see, we can go to an event as dry sponges or we can stay home and read what others have written and twist the words around to comfortably fit our biases and re-report our 'opinion' of what went down. Again, imho, what we have with OEN is just another blog for the most part with very few real reporters / writers. This is where the bias of Mgmt. comes into the picture. Just look at IndyMedia for a bit of contrast. Not a plug for Indy but what I read there, in German & English is usually first-hand stuff. I have no idea if anyone controls Indy but if we look back at OEN, we sure as hell see the controller and his Gestapo. That Gestapo btw, is vibrant / split and under loads of stress to comply or get out.

I hope this helps, John. I had a sort of news site once, called Out of Site. Mark (another member here and one of Care2 and another proud banned ex-OENer) can testify to how Out of Site was a daily collection of pointers - not on-the-ground real first-hand reporting. What I did was I made my daily rounds, in the train, the tram, on the web and in the streets and grabbed up and reflected what I felt was news worthy and educational and put that stuff up for readers to reflect on. With two readers, it was a bit masturbatory ;-). The MOST important aspect of my effort was that it cost me zilch. I was totally independent and not in need of any financial support at all. Better put, I wasn't out to make bucks. THAT, imho, is the crux of the OEN biscuit. The old dinero problemo. Bigger, better, best and first. Shit costs money and to get the money, admin has to undertake -sometimes- drastic measures. One thing I hate is when admin keeps coming out asking for "contributions" : money. MY money. That's a real turner-offer imo.

[John Bessa]

BO, I will have to get back to you on the Capitalism stuff, like, I see pyramid on the back of the dollar bill. I saw an Egyptian needle in one direction and purely capital structure in the other down the the Mall the day after the inauguration, so I think it is real. And so does my favorite writer, the late Lewis Mumford (Technics and Civilization).

But curt, you really have to look at the archives my Katrina group, now "Katrina, Remembered," group on Care2; it was about 50% on the ground during the flood, and the rest pure research. I also did a paper on the group that has the story from the data and got an "A," it uses our people to create the image. In there is heart breaking account from a helicopter by one of the rescuers when she had to get out to get well again. She writes how she went into her Dad's office, he was a doctor, and injected herself with the antibiotics.

Care2 Katrina group (Click)

Paper on the Katrina group (Click)


As screwed up as OEN is, it is well plugged in, and I believe that any content pumped through it will generate a lot of attention just because. I really need to learn that happens for my present gig (which goes until I start teaching when I finish summer school).

I did some research on Ning.com, it is kind of impressive. It was built by the Netscape guy, Andreessen, and it is in some kind of social networking protocol called OpenSocial.

Ning gets my attention because it includes an app creation facility (which may not be running right now) and I want to create something like that as a computer school that doubles as a programming environment. I suggested that to the Perl community in the early part of the Millennium, but if you know the Perl community it is so hopelessly eccentric as to be out of orbit.

Ideally I would want to use the Mediawiki of Wikipedia as the basic soup stock, and then write apps for it, possibly for proprietary uses, but definitely as a school. One thing you might want to do is Google on "neurology empathy," my Empathy Model on the Wikiversity comes up first and second. The problem with Wikiversity is that if it becomes too powerful, it will be flooded with a human wave of Wikipedians seeking to become "stake holders," and they are creepy!

[waldopaper]

yknow what gives me the ass? ill tell ya wot gives me the ass... the ding dang diddly-dweeb ned flanders "positive attitude" shit. i wrote the grim thing... death by stupidity... with lots of links... a diary. a puff piece about "patriotism" gets to be an article. now im working on a thing (speaking of npr) based on Sherwood's (another one) Survivors' Club. the paradox... yeah- you gotta have a "positive attitude," but you also gotta have a realistic assessment. anybody who thinks the "elections" are real is one brick short of this load.

and the f*cking involuntary asterisks... if i write "fuck," it's because i MEAN FUCKING FUCK. too many twiddle-dit dipdunk"editors" who take themselves waaaaayyyy too seriously and create "solutions" looking for problems. the "hate speech rule" bullshit surpassed the lamest of the lame. pan curt and bo are right... the bullshit rolls in along with the moolah. it never fucking ends. then there's the ass-kissing and jockeying for position and the politics and the ponerology.

shit. im happy as hell to get ANY readers... but when ya gotta write bullshit to get "readers," what's the fucking point? ya may as well hike up yer dress and join the kornhole klub, speakin o which... i gotta go now to my pathetic little pedagoogy gig. bah. yeh... im glad to have that. it still sucks.

[waldopaper]

oh- and john ol buddy... will get back to ya real soon on that hunter thing.