After The Math

[curt]

....or, how to deal with the inevitable aftermath of the approaching collapse of the US and with it, the World economy. We had a thread like this going good over at the first RBC...remember, the one we all moved to from other cyber places like The Smirking Chimp and Project for the Old American Century ?? Those were the days. We were hot on convincing people the USA is fascist. Life was rough. Nobody listened. We screamed our lungs out, some of us. Still, nobody listened. The Bush bashing took the front seat of most every discussion. No time for reality. No "Blick in die Zukunft" (view in the future). Tough titty, too late, the train is gone and now we have to look around for "a place to sleep". (after a personal experience as a young GI in Frankfurt. Life sucks when you realize you blew it big time by not listening to people's warnings)

Quoting Bo......(from a mini crusade he was on today);

"Well, here's your future discussion topic: The USA is dead.

The body's been burned to a crisp, hung from a bridge, and the limbs are falling off.

The RBC is now making plans to survive the aftermath. That's the reality we need to prepare for now."

So bring 'em on, those survival techniques. Copy & Patse from the other other RBC too. What good will it do us o'er there when the damn place (TribeNet) collapses ?

[waldopaper]

Check out the Life After the Oil Crash forum courtesy of Audiobox... who knows I don't spend nearly enough time on the internet...

[curt]

Problem with that is, I can almost buy into an oil crash, peak oil situation or so.....almost. There certainly are people in charge who do believe in or are convinced of an approaching oil crash. Seeing as it takes millions of years for nature to produce oil and seeing as we're using it up like fucking mad cows.....the peak oil scenario should be real. But somewhere in the back of my mind, I don't trust our policy makers. I have a feeling the peak oil scenario has been escalated for the sole purpose of shoveling even more money in WHILE MONEY IS STILL WORTH ANYTHING. It's about money. The world economy is headed for a fall. Peak oil may be artificial in an attempt to grab all available resources prior to a worldwide economical depression.

I now go to look after that there forum.....with brickloads of scepticism in my rucksack. Thx. Waldo !

[littleoldme]

I went to the site, they have some good ideas. I sent a few to the husbands computer, he's the auto mechanic and the one who'll have to figure out how to make them work. Some are definitely over my head (I'm short, don'cha know)

[waldopaper]

"Crash" is probably not the right word. "Collapse" is better... kind of like a falling soufflé. Not with a bang, but a whimper. Oil is part of that because it's part of the energy equation... which is going to be the big cahuna whether reorganizing as an individual or a community. Where's the light and heat coming from... let alone machines that do work. It's also the thinnest thread that holds big industrial societies together... and few will be aware of it until it breaks. Then, all hell WILL break loose.

I was kind of moved by this ditty in OEN: Does Dennis or Paul Have a Chance? It's not brilliantly written or anything... and it probably won't tell you anything you don't know... some of the links are interesting. That kind of idealism just wonders me. There's a fine line... and a very subjective one... between idealism and Naiveté. I think Kucinich is idealistic. I think Paul is naive. And I still do not believe the "political process" is worth a pinch of shit when dealing with the several approaching trains, yet "a lost cause is the only one worth fighting for." If the magic answer fairy would grant me one wish, it would be for millions of USAns to come out of denial. They don't want to see the approaching trains... who the fuck does... and they believe "voting" for hoodie or loodie will set things right. Jesus Christ himself couldn't set things right at this point.

For those of us who don't have a pot to piss in... and are living with people who are in DEEP denial... much of the aftermath stuff makes interesting reading... but that's about it. I begin tomorrow with far fewer "focus groups," and tilt once again at that bad old denial windmill. PSO, the writer of the Dennis/Paul article, reminds me of many of the best "returning adult" students... they finally got hip to the approaching trains... and now they are "speaking out." Well, who knows? The horse may talk.

My reactions to such rough screeds is far more sympathetic to the scholarly intellectuals like Naomi Wolf (for whom I have a great deal of respect) that always end with "...tell your congressman," or even more ridiculous, "...demand that Congress..." yeah right. Tell your toilet to grant you three wishes... no, demand your toilet... feh. At least the toilet is good for something... (while there is still water). Take a look at tree bogs. There's something us po folk can "do."

And it may come in handy when most of us are shitting in holes.

[waldopaper]

Here's another link: http://www.lacarte.org/calamity/purchases/index.html#summary what to buy before the global economic collapse... if you got any money. mostly a list... many links don't work. But dig this... OLD rbc links are right here: http://www.forumforfree.com/a/links-for-useful-skills_post1917-rbco... ! aint that cool?

[BO]

Who needs heat.

http://bajaquest.com/re1190/

139k. Two of 'em--side by side. Let's start a village. Although, I think this place may have flooded a few years back as it borders a river. A small price to pay.

Take your pick...

http://www.bajaquest.com/mulege/mulege_h.htm

[littleoldme]

I saw a commercial last night for Morgan Silver Dollars. They're sterling and they are selling them for $19.99 a piece. They're an ounce of silver, I think thats a good price. What do you think? I mean since the paper (dollar) is pretty much worthless. I know how much I pay an oz. for my sterling jewelry wire, and $20 a oz. for a piece of silver ain't bad in comparison. Gold is WAY outta my league. I don't know, maybe I should just keep buying extra water and food for barter, but then I'm pretty sure, considering the area I live in, we'll just end up shot so somebody can steal anything we put up any way. All I really hope for is my kids and grand-babies make it through what's coming okay.

[curt]

Silver is good. Buy it, but only if you already have a silver ring on each finger and each thumb. Coins are harder to keep track of. Not that I think it will help us any one bit ...it does look good.

[littleoldme]

Being in the jewelry making business, I know where to get sterling rings and such really cheap (at least in comparison to retail ) so yeah, I've got lots of sterling rings. Damn we are sooooo fucked.

[pan]

The "slingshot" water purifier

[BO]

What we really need is a machine that we can throw any organic material into that would produce energy, water, and hamburgers in one action. Something we could feed with grass clippings as well as dead relatives.

I still dream of building a totally self-sufficient abode. It's the only way I can think of to fight the system, and the ultimate statement of 'diss-allegiance.' But, that won't even be a viable option if our bees keep dying off.

Maybe we need to quite saving people from themselves.

[pan]

The Great Sunflower Project

help track bees.